Post subject: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:38 am
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Forgive me if this is not the right place to post this..... I worked on getting my system to a reasonable size and decrease the amount of unused packages as much as possible. I "started" with eeebuntu 3.0 standard and now have eeebuntu 3.0 LXDE (upgraded to LXDE through synaptic)
Basically I uninstalled OpenOffice, pidgin, and other packages I did not use or liked. Eeebuntu + packages are using 1.7gb, 987 packages installed, and battery life is approximately 8 hours (wifi enabled, webcam disabled) with LXDE. Hulu and youtube videos are smooth and the amount of third party non-free packages are decreased.
Leaps and bounds: Gnumeric - for those spreadsheets from work. Abiword - decent text editor / PDF creator. ePDF viewer - not sure why I need this with Abiword installed? Xfburn - lightweight graphical CD burner MOC - lightweight ncurse, but simple music player (Installed plugin to play wma files. Avidemux - the ability to edit my movie clips Gnome-power-manager - power management gThumb - lightweight image editor / manipulator ('easily' manipulate image sizes), Gnome-system-config-printer - the ability to easily configure my wireless Hp network printer Parcellite - lightweight clipboard Ubuntu Tweak - enough said! xCHM - every now and then I run into a site that only has Windoz help files (Yuk!) Kazehakase - lighter and faster than FireFox (though not as user configurable) rxvt-unicode - lightweight terminal emulator with true transparency ability (~/.Xdefaults) SMPlayer - with MPlayer-nogui - plays all my media files (.flv, .wmv, .avi, .mpg, etc.) gparted - cannot beat this gui partition editor! wicd - best network manager I can find that WORKS! Transmission - BitTorrent Client - try to live without this!?!? EEEPC ACPI (fewt's tool) - need I say more alsamixer - otherwise sound would be turned all the way down. unetbootin - for placing live-images on bootable pen-drives. and more.......
Short falls: 1. Upon boot sound is muted - uninstalled pulse audio, any help would be appreciated 2. Touchpad does not disable while typing - despite reading the faq/troublesooting from straux 3. Editing .desktop files is a must, there is not a gui that will put some of the proper icons where they belong 3. Where can I download the eeebuntu wallpaper files without installing them through synaptic - Lxde Wallpaper.... Boring! 4. Leafpad editor does not have all the features as gedit - gedit recognized programing lines and highlighted them after you saved the file... for x, do x, exit ... In leafpad these lines are standard text lines. 5. Default Battery meter works great and adjust correctly - Gnome's w/PM battery meter is usually incorrect. - However Powertop is a great tool: 'sudo powertop'
Post subject: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:27 am
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:48 pm Posts: 35
eeePC model: 1000HE
Aurora version: Other
One more little annoyance I forgot.... My 32MB SDHC does not automount (or any usb device for that matter) I installed: usbautomount - no go ivman + pmount - kind of worked, my sdhc holds my music and video files. every other boot 'the midnight media bunnies' would change my volume name an underscore at the end of the volume name; my programs that saved the location of my files would not find them (MY_DATA would become MY_DATA_); hence the paths would be incorrect and the files not found.
Solution - launch pcmanfm and click on the drive before I launch smplayer (video) or moc (music) applications. Annoying!
Anyone have a solution?
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Post subject: Re: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:37 am
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So, your lxde version is 1.7GB ??
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rxvt-unicode - lightweight terminal emulator with true transparency ability (~/.Xdefaults)
Yes, I use rxvt-unicode-lite. It is much smaller than lxterminal, in terms of memory used, and also handles characters correctly. My simple test of character handling is "man man" and then look at the section on "-7" which has a table of a few selected characters, so that you can check that they are displayed correctly.
But then I go and use up all of that saved memory by using xemacs as my editor
Post subject: Re: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:56 am
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:48 pm Posts: 35
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Steve wrote:
I'm curious, why did you not just use Eeebuntu standard?
Steve.
Well, I started with standard and realized a lot of the programs installed I did not use or need. I probably should have started with base and worked my way up????
Anyway, the battery life with standard was poor with my 1000he - 5.5 hours tops, slow internet (even after the changes suggested in the wiki), and video play via youtube or hulu was less than adequate. LXDE gave my system more life. Removing a few 'startup' applications helped as well. AT-SPI Upgrade monitor/manager etc....
Openoffice took a while to load and Java is just toxic on netbooks, imho. The challenge I am having is finding the right mix of programs and losing the ones I do not use. The dependency challenge is proving to be very time consuming.
I am messing with my system tonight, removing various apps and getting down to a bare minimum. However, it does not seem to want to go under 1.5gb Abiword Gnumeric Gnome-mount Gnome-system-monitor gThumb system-config-printer-gnome gnome-themes linux-source build-essentials Ubuntu-Tweak
all gone and I only gained about 250mb, I have no idea how to reconfigure my printer if I hose my system right now - I did install the hp driver set which ate up 60mb of storage space... yuk. Anyway, there is a script on the forum.eeeuser.com site I used at one time to back up my system. I will take a look on that site for the script. Edit: found it... http://wiki.eeeuser.com/backup_restore ///exerpt/// Compressed Dump
This method is very similar to the large dump method, however we compress the image to make it smaller. This may even enable an 8G to store its image on a fat32 filesystem. First open a terminal window and become a “super user†with “sudo -iâ€.
dd if=/dev/sda | gzip -c9 > /PATH/TO/BACKUP.gz
Now when you want to restore it use.
gunzip -c /PATH/TO/BACKUP.gz | dd of=/dev/sda ///end/// Thanks for the inquiry!
Btw... I love what the Development team has done with eeebuntu! The true issue for me, again, was the performance with video and sound. I did upgrade the xorg drivers and implemented the fixmtr.sh script (found on Ubuntu Forum Site) The noticeable changes came when I switched to LXDE. Kazehakase, SMPlayer and MOC!
The real question I have for you is this... How in the heck are you getting the latest beta down to around 500mb? I guess I will have to wait and see how you are building it, source I guess? These bloody dependencies.
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Post subject: Re: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:32 pm
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Ya, Steve's doing it from source. No gnome dependencies... well except for gdm, but that's extremely minimal.
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Post subject: Re: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:41 am
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:48 pm Posts: 35
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TRiPgod wrote:
Ya, Steve's doing it from source. No gnome dependencies... well except for gdm, but that's extremely minimal.
I have often wondered what it would be like to create an operating system using source code to build your applications - been too worried I mess something up! Anyway I will not bore you with that but rather a few questions I been pondering for some time now:
1. What 'base' to you start from to get a system down to 500mb? Eeebuntu Base and Standard are based on gnome applications. I am guessing you get the system to a bare minimum without gnome / xfce / or openbox and build from there????
2. Puppy and DSL (Damn Small Linux) have usable/functional systems that use little real estate (under 1GB); is there a way duplicate the process to have a usable/functional eeebuntu LXDE under 1GB? btw: I realize gnome dependencies are just a piece of the bloat.
3. If there are apps that are built from source, this limits the ability for a 'standard user' to mess things up and 'apt-get' it back - this will pull from the eeebuntu/Ubuntu repository and then pull some unnecessary dependencies/bloat - the question is will there be a little FAQ or How to get the system back to build? Not trying to cause you guys more work that you are already doing for the community!
4. Any ideas what non-gnome utilities a user could expect to see in the final build? XFburn in lieu of Brasero MOC in lieu of Banshee (I am biased as I find Banshee to be a cute, but useless mp3 player) rxvt-unicode for an terminal that supports transparency non-gnome Display config? non-gnome Printer config? non-gnome movie players? Are there any?
Thanks from Sir-Pest-Alot, your fan and user Effran aka [color=#4040BF]Bluester[/color]
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Post subject: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:03 am
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:48 pm Posts: 35
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Geoff 42 wrote:
bluester wrote:
rxvt-unicode - lightweight terminal emulator with true transparency ability (~/.Xdefaults)
Yes, I use rxvt-unicode-lite. It is much smaller than lxterminal, in terms of memory used, and also handles characters correctly. My simple test of character handling is "man man" and then look at the section on "-7" which has a table of a few selected characters, so that you can check that they are displayed correctly.
But then I go and use up all of that saved memory by using xemacs as my editor
Geoff
Geoff,
I seen your name on a few post and noticed you have an interest for a linux DE which has light/low mem/dependency programs as well. I am curious as to what non-gnome programs you use to configure printers, non-gnome application startup configurator - or do you just edit the configuration files with xemacs? Just seeing what others are doing?
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I seen your name on a few post and noticed you have an interest for a linux DE which has light/low mem/dependency programs as well. I am curious as to what non-gnome programs you use to configure printers, non-gnome application startup configurator - or do you just edit the configuration files with xemacs?
My background is Unix rather than Linux, so I am not too well up on the details of how some of this stuff is put together. When I first got an EeePC 701 I started with Xubuntu. I later was able to pick u[p an HP Mini-note 2133 cheaply, which had a 120 GB disk, so I had the opportunity to set up several 20 GB partitions to try out several different versions of the OS, with /home on a separate partition. I later spotted Eeebuntu and tried out the base install and have since been following the lxde install. I have the beta 1 on my HP.
I tend to run "top" to have a look at memory usage, with the display sorted by the resident memory usage. To select this you type "Oq<ret>w" where uppercase "O" gets you into the sort page and "q" selects the resident memory size. The return key is used as the "any other key" to return to the main display and "w" writes your settings to the config file.
The other window managers seem to have numerous processes running at over 10 MB resident memory, while the lxde release seems to get away with just 3, Xorg, pcmanfm & lxpanel. In order to get away with this I close the wicd client in the system tray as this is large and is not required for getting your wi-fi connections running. I don't really make much use of the file manager, so maybe I should work out how to stop it firing up at login. I am not sure what the official Linux mechanism is for inhibiting these clients at login.
As for configuration, I have not got printing running under Linux yet. I use the lx configuration programs as far as possible, I think that there are 4 of them. The one which took the longest search is that you use the file manager to play with the screen wallpaper. I have had to do a little editing of config files with xemacs.
Post subject: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:09 pm
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:48 pm Posts: 35
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Geoff 42 wrote:
I tend to run "top" to have a look at memory usage, with the display sorted by the resident memory usage. To select this you type "Oq<ret>w" where uppercase "O" gets you into the sort page and "q" selects the resident memory size. The return key is used as the "any other key" to return to the main display and "w" writes your settings to the config file. Geoff
Good information; thanks.
Geoff 42 wrote:
The other window managers seem to have numerous processes running at over 10 MB resident memory, while the lxde release seems to get away with just 3, Xorg, pcmanfm & lxpanel. In order to get away with this I close the wicd client in the system tray as this is large and is not required for getting your wi-fi connections running. I don't really make much use of the file manager, so maybe I should work out how to stop it firing up at login. I am not sure what the official Linux mechanism is for inhibiting these clients at login. Geoff
As for configuration, I have not got printing running under Linux yet. I use the lx configuration programs as far as possible, I think that there are 4 of them. The one which took the longest search is that you use the file manager to play with the screen wallpaper. I have had to do a little editing of config files with xemacs. Geoff
Maybe I will give xemacs a try; as I said in a previous post, leafpad is more of a general text editor and does not have the functionality gedit provided for editing files. Thanks for the information.
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Post subject: Re: Working on setting up LXDE to be functional
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:19 pm
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:33 pm Posts: 1935 Location: Liverpool, UK
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we actually build off a modified creation a bit like the server edition of ubuntu;
IE- no desktop enviroment at ALL but the netbook kernels.
We then build the LXDE entirely from source to deb files and tweak the dependancies so no gnome is pulled in.....
we worked through afew configurations firstly putting loads in and taking the bits out until it didnt work .... once we knew the core of what we needed we rebuilt it again.... the only bits of gnome are for the gdm reali so less than 10meg of gnome is actually on the system
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